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    Quote Originally Posted by HikaZee View Post
    This is exactly one of the many reasons why he is such a cancerous problem in Deathmatch and Siege. Yes, a large quantity of the playerbase does play Deathmatch and Siege (including myself on occasion)

    What is the excuse for Pip here?


    I can keep posting more if it helps get the point across that there is a problem with Pips
    that's a bot

    anyway, here is mine
    Mischief pip vs 4 support (wanted to play as damage but the solo Jenos needed help)
    http://paladins.guru/match/pc/253060924

    TDM mega potion solo healer
    http://paladins.guru/match/pc/252078954

    btw, Catmandude is one of the best Pip player in the forum, mine are nothing compared to him

    You can't force players to be a good support especially Pip, you need skill to use him effectively as a healer
    Pip healing is burst and timed healing (you gotta match it with cauterize effect disappearing to max the effect) so its harder for new players / noobs to use effectively

    Also, adding more effect to Mega potion like that makes it OP. the current one is enough to make Androxus/Maeve/Drogoz goes back to full health while they are far behind the enemy line
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    I'd like to point out an obvious thing.
    The fact that there are many bad Pip players has nothing to do with the fact that Pip is a good/bad champion. Pip is good as he is (maybe I would slightly touch one of his cooldown, but there are more experienced players here, for that). The fact that average-low-tier-Pip is getting 5000 heals is not due to the fact that Pip is UP, but to the fact that the player is retarded.

    Always ask in chat which kind of Pip he's going to play and, if you don't trust him enough, PICK ANOTHER SUPPORT. It's the same for Agony Seris :-P
    The basic thing players need to learn is that, even if they're going full dmg, Q is still there, they can still throw a potion when the tank is dying and the main support is too far to heal him. But that's not a problem of Pip, that's a problem of a stupid player.

    Then we can discuss about MM and why stupid players are not playing only among them, but this is for another thread...
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    The problem I got with Pip lately in ranked is, that I often end in a solo-tank team with him, or even worse a no tank team. For solo tank he is no good healer but there is no way to tell unless 2 tanks are already picked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3RC3N4RI0 View Post
    The problem I got with Pip lately in ranked is, that I often end in a solo-tank team with him, or even worse a no tank team. For solo tank he is no good healer but there is no way to tell unless 2 tanks are already picked.
    Pip can do a solo tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadvillan View Post
    Pip can do a solo tank.
    He can, but by no means is he the best for it. Any other support does the job better here, besides Grohk and sometimes Grover. Grohk because he's bad right now, and Grover also thrives with the double tank setup.
    Protect your supports please... They want support too!
    Support main/Pip main. Greatest healing: 230,070 | Current goal: 200,000 achieved! Take a look at it! Woohoo!

    Just a silly idea

    Support Pip guide here!

    Fix the Pip bugs! There are 40 of them, so can we fix them please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatManDude View Post
    He can, but by no means is he the best for it. Any other support does the job better here, besides Grohk and sometimes Grover. Grohk because he's bad right now, and Grover also thrives with the double tank setup.
    For solo tank I would place my bet on Seris before anyone else. But if you have a healing Pip for solo tank all hope isn't loss. Pip can do fine with double tanks IMO I have no problem keeping the both alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadvillan View Post
    For solo tank I would place my bet on Seris before anyone else. But if you have a healing Pip for solo tank all hope isn't loss. Pip can do fine with double tanks IMO I have no problem keeping the both alive.
    I just said that there are far better options for solo tank. Like, Seris, Furia, Damba, and Jenos would work better with a solo tank to be honest. And I never said that he has a problem with double tank. And I never said he doesn't do well in a double tank set up. If anything, he's the best support for that when played properly.
    Protect your supports please... They want support too!
    Support main/Pip main. Greatest healing: 230,070 | Current goal: 200,000 achieved! Take a look at it! Woohoo!

    Just a silly idea

    Support Pip guide here!

    Fix the Pip bugs! There are 40 of them, so can we fix them please?

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    One can say that Pip is a good/balanced champion but that's doesn't matter if the majority of players do poorly with him. A champion's design must be relative to the average skill of the player base. As far as I can see, most players do not play Pip as a support, they play him as a damage/flank therefore he should be reworked into a damage or flank.

    I have lost countless matches because somebody locks in Pip and the rest of my team thinks they will be healed because we have a "Support", wrong. Pip ends with 15k heals or less 90% of the time and 90% of those heals will be on himself only.

    What is the difference between Pip's kit and Buck's kit? Almost nothing. Pip is the projectile version of Buck. With some slight modifications, Pip can just be reclassed as Flank where he has always belonged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugenpresse View Post
    One can say that Pip is a good/balanced champion but that's doesn't matter if the majority of players do poorly with him. A champion's design must be relative to the average skill of the player base. As far as I can see, most players do not play Pip as a support, they play him as a damage/flank therefore he should be reworked into a damage or flank.
    Uh, this isn't true at all. The majority of newer players to the game do poorly with him, same as players who are newer to the champion, and this is to be expected; not every character requires the same skill to play. By this logic, Damba should be made easier to play in order to make it so the average player can play him with some relative ease. Also, he's fine as a support. There's no reason to change him to a flank due to how well he can be as a support when played as one; making tanks potentially immortal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lugenpresse View Post
    I have lost countless matches because somebody locks in Pip and the rest of my team thinks they will be healed because we have a "Support", wrong. Pip ends with 15k heals or less 90% of the time and 90% of those heals will be on himself only.
    That's not really fully the Pip player's fault. He should at least say that he's not doing any healing, as is going to be doing damage. Regardless, if a player does poorly with the champion, that's not the champion's fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lugenpresse View Post
    What is the difference between Pip's kit and Buck's kit? Almost nothing. Pip is the projectile version of Buck. With some slight modifications, Pip can just be reclassed as Flank where he has always belonged.
    There's also a huge difference between Buck and Pip's kit. First of all, the loadout cards are a huge part of someone's kit. Buck has cards that are deliberately designed towards him being able to flank, whereas Pip has near 0, besides Mischief. And again, there's no need to reclass him to a flank. Pip working as a flank is a terrible meme that Hi-Rez tries to keep alive; it never really worked for Pip, regardless of what people say. It only somewhat worked when flanks weren't about dealing over 1000 damage in less than a second, and when he had more mobility.
    Protect your supports please... They want support too!
    Support main/Pip main. Greatest healing: 230,070 | Current goal: 200,000 achieved! Take a look at it! Woohoo!

    Just a silly idea

    Support Pip guide here!

    Fix the Pip bugs! There are 40 of them, so can we fix them please?

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