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Thread: Revert Ying 5th nerf (also 4th and 3rd would be great)

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    Revert Ying 5th nerf (also 4th and 3rd would be great)

    3rd: clone range has been lowered. Considering that on OB62 Seris, the support with already the highest range on this game, has been buffed...
    4th: healing frequency of clones has been reduced from 1sec to 1.2sec. This has greatly lowered the healing potential of Ying, from being in the meta, to disappear and leave space from Seris. I've always said this has been a (bad) action to force Seris into the meta.

    On top of that, there are bugs on dim-link and on her heals.
    Then we got a primary fire dmg buff (not needed!) and the nerf on her ulti. Oh, do you think it's a buff? Really? So, before the nerf that you call buff, when ulti-ing, she was creating 5 illusions in the whole map (where comrades were standing) and those illusions were healing in the surrounding area. "But comrades are moving, they were not healed!". Suuuure. But those illusions were EXPIRING at the end of the ulti. What does this mean? That if you are using Resonance, those illusions were DOING DMG when expiring. That's why in the final phases of pushing, when everyone is in the diameter of 5 meters (allies and enemies) you were able to get rid of whole enemy team in a second.
    This has been a HUGE nerf for Resonance, while primary fire dmg has been a huge buff FOR FOCUSING LENS players. The buff was not enough to compensate what Resonance has lost.

    So, less dmg for Ying and less healing capability, so that you can't shatter as much, if you want to TRY to keep comrades alive. It seems to me someone is again forcing not only a new champ, but a specific play style on players.

    And now, 5th nerf: you should all know that when you play F for the first time, the dim link bar appears. For the time the bar is there, you can re-press F how many times you want and keep moving. Now, after every F, you have to wait half a second there, doing ANYTHING.
    You can't re-F, you can't shoot, you can't shatter, you can't even jump or move. You are just there, immovable, for a whole half a second, while Andro can shoot 3 times in your face. And you are still there, immovable, waiting to die.

    Drawing a target on Ying's face would have been fairer.



    You can't re-create clones fast enough with Rewind. You can't evade flanker's shoot while shooting back. You can't escape again, in case you had reappeared in the wrong place. You can't jump to help a teammate. You can't evade Viktor 3-phase ulti (I usually time my F with his missiles from one place to another). You can't contest the payload to gain overtime by reappearing on every side of it, trying to avoid enemies for as long as you can. You are just there, for half a second, waiting to die. My loadout allow me to extend dim link: I still can jump only three time, while standing still in the meanwhile.

    Remove this nerf. Ying has one of the lowest speed in game (not that there are speed lower than hers, but there are other characters so slow), dim link was her only way to survive. There were no need for this nerf. I don't want to think, as someone has suggested, that this has happened because now there's a flank meta and she was the only support able to scare flankers, but I have no other option available.

    I am writing this because I have to. But, unfortunately, I already know there would be no change. I am not going to play Ying anymore: I don't want to gift free kills to enemy team and her healing is just too low in exchange. I don't know if I'll be able to still gift free kills to enemy as Seris, Jenos or Mal, but at least their healing output is consistent.
    I am actually considering to leave. Enough of "save the flank" meta.
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    "You can't evade Viktor 3-phase ulti (I usually time my F with his missiles from one place to another). "
    -I didn't know ying could do that though I have the highest win-rate with ying.

    "I already know there would be no change."
    "I am actually considering to leave. Enough of "save the flank" meta."
    -Coming from a one who has written so many posts kinda brings my hopes down.

    (Feelers - See the grand scheme of things
    Thinkers - Pay attention to the tiniest details)
    Though I want to comment on your post,
    I'm a feeler. So, I'm like this thing or these things about the game don't feel right and don't get into details.
    Hope they make ying better.

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    >> -I didn't know ying could do that though I have the highest win-rate with ying.
    whenever you see the red target below your feet, press F. It is long enough and it WAS long enough to let you evade all 3 missiles.

    >> -Coming from a one who has written so many posts kinda brings my hopes down.
    Yep. Just imagine my actual mood. I am like "switched off" since yesterday evening. :-(

    >> Hirez has good feelers and Thinkers.
    The problem is were HiRez wants to go with its feelers and thinkers. If they decided to go through the "let's become COD to appeal newbies" path, there's nothing we can do to make them change their mind.
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    "whenever you see the red target below your feet, press F. It is long enough and it WAS long enough to let you evade all 3 missiles."
    - Thanks. Will try this when I get the chance.

    " I am like "switched off" since yesterday evening."
    - When I get bored or frustrated I would pick Androxus, use nether step to get high as possible and float through the map. I also try to identify who is the most inexperienced in the team and I'll keep following them to see how they play .But I realize after coming to the forum that there are many players who are fans of casual. They are more serious about casual.

    "The problem is were HiRez wants to go with its feelers and thinkers. If they decided to go through the "let's become COD to appeal newbies" path, there's nothing we can do to make them change their mind."
    - I hope they don't change it into something else. My concern is that whether our feedbacks are being noticed by Hirez staff or not. Are the moderators and Hirez staff who monitor this forum communicate with the rest of the staff about most talked about things here. I'm in the dark.
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    I honestly have no clue why Hi-Rez decided it'd be a good idea to nerf a support, considering that flankers are becoming more and more dominant, and just shred through a lot of supports. Also...

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkure View Post
    Considering that on OB62 Seris, the support with already the highest range on this game, has been buffed...
    I always though Pip had the furthest range with his healing, as you can toss the potion practically all the way across a map and heal someone still.
    Protect your supports please... They want support too!
    Support main/Pip main. Greatest healing: 230,070 | Current goal: 200,000 achieved! Take a look at it! Woohoo!

    Just a silly idea

    Support Pip guide here!

    Fix the Pip bugs! There are 40 of them, so can we fix them please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceWest View Post
    "whenever you see the red target below your feet, press F. It is long enough and it WAS long enough to let you evade all 3 missiles."
    - Thanks. Will try this when I get the chance.
    Now it will not work (only if Viktor player is a sloth). Better to try it after HiRez re-nerf the dim-link self stun nerf...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceWest View Post
    - Thanks. Will try this when I get the chance.
    Do not. With this nerf, you are no longer able to time your F. You will be killed in the process for not being able to move soon enough :-(

    Quote Originally Posted by CatManDude View Post
    I always though Pip had the furthest range with his healing, as you can toss the potion practically all the way across a map and heal someone still.
    The farther, the more difficult. Also Mal can sniper his heals, but Seris just has to face the direction. No skill involved.
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    Maybe revert the beam frequency nerf and the dim link nerf would be good? I dont play ying so i dont know but i think it would be good.
    If hi rez keeps going this way only players left will be casuals and console players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkure View Post
    The farther, the more difficult. Also Mal can sniper his heals, but Seris just has to face the direction. No skill involved.
    True, but Seris has a limit with how far away she can be when she heals someone.
    Protect your supports please... They want support too!
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