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    Tickrate graphs between Paladins and Overwatch

    I downloaded wireshark and recorded the send and receive rates for UDP traffic during a game session in Paladins and Overwatch, respectively. The resulting graphs show the packet send rates on a blue line and the packet receive rates on a red line. Each is known as client's tickrate and the server's tickrate, respectively. The client's tickrate is different from the framerate, the former deals with netcode the latter deals with graphics rendering.

    Here is the graph for Paladins:
    https://i.imgur.com/IFlUULf.jpg

    In Paladins, the client tickrate was ~72hz and the server tickrate was ~27hz.

    Here is the graph for Overwatch:
    https://i.imgur.com/z2AiGK5.jpg

    In Overwatch, the client tickrate was ~65hz and the server tickrate was ~65hz. The client tickrate would frequently spike to ~100 and I believe this happened every time I died and respawned in the game.

    Edit: I found a video that's old but still supports these results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOO3S1uStXs. The uploader has a good explanation.

    Edit 2: Conclusion: Player positions in Overwatch are more accurate than in Paladins. Projectile positions in Paladins are more accurate than in Overwatch. Paladins makes up for low server sending rate by putting huge af hitboxes on everything.
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    Ok sooo um... try to explain this patiently to a noob who has no idea what you're talking about...what's the importance of this?
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    So this means that Paladins is faster and Overwatch is faster only during death and respawn?
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    My conclusion from this is that the positions of players in Overwatch will be more accurate than in Paladins because the Overwatch servers are sending twice as many updates to clients than Paladins servers are. But the projectile positions in Paladins will be more accurate than the ones in Overwatch because the Paladins clients are sending more updates to the servers and projectile positions can be entirely calculated.

    Basically, it's easier to dodge in Overwatch and harder to aim. In Paladins it's easier to aim and harder to dodge.

    I found a video of a guy explaining overwatch vs paladins netcode. It's 1 year old but the send and receive rates are about the same as my experiment. But this guy did a more detailed analysis, I added a link to it.

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    I can confirm.

    Go to Paladins' directory > ChaosGame > Config > DefaultEngine.ini

    Under [Engine. DemoRecDriver] you see NetServerMaxTickRate=27

    Your post is real news. Paladins really need a better tickrate, explains why the delay is so bad (ex. Drogoz's salvo) compared to other games even with the same ping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugenpresse View Post
    Basically, it's easier to dodge in Overwatch and harder to aim. In Paladins it's easier to aim and harder to dodge.
    Great. So that's why the lowering in TTK feels much more noticeable as time goes on. And the complete removal of movement legendaries soldifies this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugenpresse View Post
    My conclusion from this is that the positions of players in Overwatch will be more accurate than in Paladins because the Overwatch servers are sending twice as many updates to clients than Paladins servers are. But the projectile positions in Paladins will be more accurate than the ones in Overwatch because the Paladins clients are sending more updates to the servers and projectile positions can be entirely calculated.

    Basically, it's easier to dodge in Overwatch and harder to aim. In Paladins it's easier to aim and harder to dodge.
    Well, the server tickrate is not only how often data are send, but how often the game is refreshed on server, so tickrate from client shouldnt make any difference as long as it is not lower? At best this data could be used for rewinding.

    Also projectiles in Paladins shouldnt be much of a problem even for tickrate 27, but it is possible to get less hits on fast firing hitscan against diagonally moving player if detection isnt client side.

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