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LivingJester
12-12-2016, 04:32 AM
I get that hes a flanker and he need to be close to do alot of damg i get that....But he really need a nerf to his jump and recovery.

Id would recommend to changing his jump to have 8 sec cooldown and this doesnt start the cooldown til he lands not when it is used. With cards that reduce that by 1/2/3/4 sec

And his recovery to 500 with introduce a new card that increase it max output 25/50/75/100%
And change his recovery card cooldown to 1/1.25/1.5/2 He shouldnt be granted fast self healing with a card that gives out lifesteal higher then the in match life card.

what i am aiming here is to balance him by providing more cards choices so that you have to make a decision because the lifesteal cards he has is pretty much overkill a that can heal for far more then any single use heal.

By nerfing his two ability to be used when needed should give him the balance he need to be in direct line with relation to his other flanker champ.

I would also lower his hp by 500 because if hes a frontlinemen then make it so but this isnt as important as just basically not making him a free to win champ with spam-able ability. He should have ability to least make him be able to go in but letting the other player have a chance to kill him when he badly misplace himself.

Ive seen buck player land the smack in the middle of all us do a little damg and then hop right out
to just super recover to come back in. Ive even seen one that did that over n over n over pretty much failing to kill or to be killed. So in otherword this will separate the good player and bad player a little better.

ProfDrMahler
12-12-2016, 05:03 AM
Buck is the only flanker wich does the lowes dmg x min. is the biggest targed get so ez counterd from caut. also if buck jumps in a 4 grp "wich i usual does" you most like die but did a good dmg "always woth it"
buck is one of the least champ wich is accy balanced if you rly want 2 see a champ wich basilcy borken look at cessie
also a you a main viktor? "Nothing against then i usual play him aswell" viktor / dmg dealer should always have a tiny negativ against flankers "execpt cessie shes god tier" because they a there for killing the players wich try 2 go solo hes a punisher flanker.

Hellklok
12-12-2016, 05:07 AM
I can already sense some "Buck Profile Image Forumers" coming here to give you a full class of "buck is not OP, you are just bad".

On Topic : I agree that he tanks too much, and buying cauterize is not a solution when he can just leap out of the fight.
My advice on buck is just damage him until he runs away like the pansy he is.

LoboSora
12-12-2016, 10:18 AM
Buck is pretty ok in pretty much everything. He is pretty weak and will probably lose against any other flank except for poor Skye (RIP).

BUT, even tho i'm main Buck, i think his health should be decrease a little. 2.500 maybe. But in counterpart his range should be increased a few points.

Wallachia
12-12-2016, 10:21 AM
The only thing I have to say about this is that Buck has too much HP, just that. I have seen people minitank with him all the time. Out of that I don't think he's OP at all, and I don't even play with him.

ProfDrMahler
12-12-2016, 10:50 AM
i accy like that he have 3000 i had man moment where i jsut run infront of someone 2 take the dmg instead of my friend.

BJBrechas
12-12-2016, 02:49 PM
I read only buck buck buck, i can easily kill a buck in front on me with sha lin only with 1 single shot & planted... You can also kill him with cassie with most of tanks & some supports.

The problem are the player who like's to play only 1 champ, if you be 1st pick dont pick damage & you will get rekt no by buck.

If they pick buck it's easy counterable with sha lin cassie & much others... Stop try to play only 1 champ & manage your gameplay to the game.

rixinthemix
12-12-2016, 09:31 PM
I read only buck buck buck, i can easily kill a buck in front on me with sha lin only with 1 single shot & planted... You can also kill him with cassie with most of tanks & some supports.

Obviously. Both Sha Lin and Cassie have their respective problems.

Kodykintae
12-13-2016, 12:50 AM
I agree, way too tanky. Also his leap cd needs a nerf. 4 second cd with no cards are you bucking kidding me?

DraymondDream
12-13-2016, 12:55 AM
It's hilarious when people say buck has too much health, seriously? he needs around 3K because he is so fat and easy to hit. someone that is skinner like evie needs less cause harder to hit. If you compare him to the other flankers, such as evie and androxus, most pros would agree that bucks not OP. and.... look how op cassie is ): Anyways I main buck and I can see more flaws in his game, he has low DPS and net shot is not easy to land, he is bad in team fights. Overall I still think buck is a solid character and fun to play, I would give his shotgun more damage or range, and lower his health if you really want him to be more of a flanker and less a tank. But hes DEFINITELY NOT OP just play buck and go into competitive matches you will not find it easy at all.

Also, buck can be frustrating to play against which make people think hes op, but I can make much stronger arguments for other champions(cassie) being OP.

LivingJester
12-13-2016, 02:10 AM
All I'm saying he need a Nerf to his original state of ability but providing cards to define what style of buck would be far healthier state of balance.

In a case of bombking where different loadout can define a style of bombking such as am i going to just be a grumpy bomb specialist or poppy bomb n such.

Because atm you can pretty much run a retarded loadout on buck and still be a wrecking champ I would just rename his role to PINA (pain in the ass) not a flanker.

PTLagger
12-13-2016, 02:28 AM
He's already get nerfed in this patch, Hirez said on patch stream currently he is pretty balanced. This nerf (remove slow on Leap) make him harder to play a bit (prevent many noobs play him too good). He has 3k HP because he is fat-ass dude, moves very slow without Leap, when in combat he always takes 90%+ bullet hit (while other flanks can avoid almost of them), low basic damage output. My idea to balance Buck is make him can't have more HP than a tank but increase dmg output (you know other Flank has extremely high dmg output and burst dmg, but Buck doesn't) like this:
- Health reduced 3000 -> 2500 (same as Pip)
- Shotgun: 550 dmg -> 700 dmg, tighter spread and increase range
- Ult: +100% dmg bonus -> +60% dmg bonus

ProfDrMahler
12-13-2016, 04:34 AM
He's already get nerfed in this patch, Hirez said on patch stream currently he is pretty balanced. This nerf (remove slow on Leap) make him harder to play a bit (prevent many noobs play him too good). He has 3k HP because he is fat-ass dude, moves very slow without Leap, when in combat he always takes 90%+ bullet hit (while other flanks can avoid almost of them), low basic damage output. My idea to balance Buck is make him can't have more HP than a tank but increase dmg output (you know other Flank has extremely high dmg output and burst dmg, but Buck doesn't) like this:
- Health reduced 3000 -> 2500 (same as Pip)
- Shotgun: 550 dmg -> 700 dmg, tighter spread and increase range
- Ult: +100% dmg bonus -> +60% dmg bonus

this honestly i think makes him realy op "the hp in that case wont make any diffrents" his dmg dpm is alsmost x2 and think about the headshot dmg.
also his ulty should be twices faster loaded? take moral 3 and then this guys goes madness.

like i said hes the one flanker with the lowes dmg with rason.

also because of ob 39 viktor now have a way higher chance against buck "at least its by me so"