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AsisKotsuro
10-28-2016, 08:54 AM
I am very confused as to what the significance is for Blast Shield, AOE's are so few and far between, I can name a few off the top of my head, like Bomb King's bombs on the floor, Viktor's grenade, and Pip's splash damage from his potions, but is it really even worth it? The most I really seen Splash do is about 400 and that was with Bomb King, and you'd think that with Bomb King he would be all about splash.

Speaking of Bomb King it is unclear if his hits do direct or splash damage when stuck. One could argue that his hits do less damage with Blast shield on, even if it does stick you since it's a bomb and such, then again it could just be a direct hit because you stuck them.

Haven is pretty much EVERYTHING you take that is direct is less damage for you.

So in the end Blast Shield is very situational and more of a trap overall for new players, I will make some tests later on and edit this accordingly.

Roster
10-28-2016, 09:06 AM
Blast shield :Evie /drogoz/pip /fernando fireball /viktor grenade /bomb king
Everything depends who is against you , if you are a kinessa/viktor and you fight evie that will be blast shield and the two anti tanks (drogoz/bomb king ) use aeo attack .

TheCheesemaster
10-28-2016, 09:27 AM
Well see if the enemy team consist of a drogoz, bomb king, pip, evie, etc. Then that might be when you might want to chuck blast shields on. :P

AsisKotsuro
10-28-2016, 09:38 AM
But blast shield is so situational that you might aswell go for Haven all the time. and what exactly is direct and aoe? Cause like I said with Bomb King, is getting stuck direct or aoe? Cause if it is direct then that would mean that literally every attack that hits you directly, even though it could do splash damage would be direct, making Blast shield completely situational and ineffectual, and would be much better to choose haven overall.

TheCheesemaster
10-28-2016, 09:56 AM
Most people DO choose Haven overall, and BK's bombs would be direct hits because they are hitting the actual player square on. If he was to chuck a bomb next to a player, then that would count as splash damage.

AsisKotsuro
10-28-2016, 10:18 AM
Then if that's the case Blast damage is completely and utterly useless, especially in competitive play since a lot of people have well coordinated shots and don't rely on splash to handle their damage.

Here's what I think Hi Rez should do, separate everyone into three groups, explosive users, direct users and somewhere in between, explosive users like Drogoz, Pip, Bomb King, etc. and Direct users like Skye, Kinessa, Grover, etc. and those in between the lines like Ying, Viktor, Fernando, etc.

Then tweak the Blast shield to lower explosive damage coming from the enemy team instead of just AOE, this will then be put almost on par with Haven, making both of them equal like this will definitely make things a lot more interesting in the game and have others stop picking Haven so much and go more for blast shield.

PTLagger
10-28-2016, 11:22 AM
Here is how Blast Shield & Haven work in easy to understand version:
Haven: https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632923_890391621062315_6432031265453979282_n.jpg ?oh=1fd1573feeacabf7dccfcb64d5866e65&oe=58A36857
Blast Shield: https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14907067_890391617728982_8601754029390606256_n.jpg ?oh=b2019592e5b7f186b6a73e7ddf059d1c&oe=58A71AA0

*[BONUS INFO]: There is one more type of dmg called "Constant damage" that can't be reduced by Blast Shield & Haven (but can be reduced by Ruckus Q, ...): Fernando's Charge, Barik's Turret, ....

sinosleep
10-28-2016, 11:26 AM
I take haven 9 times out of 10 but that's largely because enemy team cop rarely has more than 2 aoe centric characters. Which means the other 3, or the majority, are going to be single target so I get more value for money going haven.

AsisKotsuro
10-28-2016, 11:27 AM
@PTLagger

Ahhh, see, this is what I needed, thank you so much, this is much easier to understand now, now I can reform my strategy in competitive play. Thank you very much.

@sinosleep

There's a lot more users that do direct damage rather than aoe, in the end, Blast Shield is a little situational, but now that I saw what PT said it seems a little more justified now.

KaMiK3k
10-30-2016, 10:16 AM
I think you are all noobs.

Basicly in this game, damage is either Direct or Splash depending on the hero, not the attack.

For exemple, a drogoz direct rocket will still be splash damage, not direct (haven)

A Viktor grenade will always be direct damage, not splash.

Damage type dépends on the hero, that's it.

PTLagger
10-30-2016, 12:03 PM
I think you are all noobs.

Basicly in this game, damage is either Direct or Splash depending on the hero, not the attack.

For exemple, a drogoz direct rocket will still be splash damage, not direct (haven)

A Viktor grenade will always be direct damage, not splash.

Damage type dépends on the hero, that's it.

Ying have both direct & slash
Skye mainly direct, but her Ult is slash and can be decreased by Blast Shield
Viktor's grenade and ult damage can be decreased by Blast Shield (not by Haven)

Shuffleblade
10-30-2016, 03:29 PM
Here is how Blast Shield & Haven work in easy to understand version:
Haven: https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632923_890391621062315_6432031265453979282_n.jpg ?oh=1fd1573feeacabf7dccfcb64d5866e65&oe=58A36857
Blast Shield: https://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14907067_890391617728982_8601754029390606256_n.jpg ?oh=b2019592e5b7f186b6a73e7ddf059d1c&oe=58A71AA0

*[BONUS INFO]: There is one more type of dmg called "Constant damage" that can't be reduced by Blast Shield & Haven (but can be reduced by Ruckus Q, ...): Fernando's Charge, Barik's Turret, ....

Not disagreeing with you but its extremely simplifýing things, against drogo, fernando, pip and evie its pretty straightforward, big aoes so they are likely to splash you more often than hit you directly. Especially Evie and drogoz due to slow missile speed. BK it depends a lot on how he plays, if he goes the sniper style blast shield will only help against his ult and his grumpy bomb. Androxus, it will only help against his ult, personally I would say go haven against this guy. Skye, it will only help against her ult but on the other hand her ult is usually a game changer, if you have a hard time getting away from the bomb on time I guess blast shield is a good idea. Against Victor sure it helps agains the grenade and against his ult but he is just as likely to just shoot you to death, personally I prefer haven against this guy because most of the damage he dishes out is with his normal attacks.

ACorpse
10-30-2016, 03:41 PM
Not disagreeing with you but its extremely simplifýing things, against drogo, fernando, pip and evie its pretty straightforward, big aoes so they are likely to splash you more often than hit you directly.

I think the question is more how the game engine calculates this stuff.

IE does a direct hit from a Drogoz missile or Evie ice bolt count as splash damage despite it hitting you as a direct attack, purely because it's capable of splash damage.

Someone would have to test it, or we'd have to get an answer from Hi-Rez.

So someone will have to test it. Because the latter just isn't going to happen.

TheJellyfish
10-30-2016, 08:02 PM
Blast Shields needs a buff.

Cause most of the champions that do aoe damage deals such a high amount that often it'll make you think that Blast Shields isn't even working properly.

ThatOthell159
10-30-2016, 08:36 PM
I think you are all noobs.

A Viktor grenade will always be direct damage, not splash.

Lol who's noon again?

ThatOthell159
10-30-2016, 08:37 PM
Lol who's noon again?

Noob*

/10char